IDDQD PressGoogle is trying to ban the entire fediverse
Google has decided that it will start removing fediverse apps because they don't do enough to preclude hate speech. So far, the apps impacted are Husky, Fedilab and Subway Tooter. Naturally this is just the Google censorship power play _du jour_. The majority of this article is just quoting noteworthy fedi users because they already got most of the important bits out.
This user makes a wonderful point because these clients are not accessing specific services in the way that Facebook or Twitter are, but are general-purpose _protocol_ clients. Google Chrome allows you to access hate speech because it's a web browser that allows you to go on any website one can think up. It would be like banning FTP clients because maybe you can log in to the wrong FTP server and download child porn, not realizing that FTP just stands for "File Transfer Protocol" and allows one to transfer any files at all. It's totally content-neutral.
Gargron beat IDDQD to the punch on this point by making this post:
Tateisu, the author of SubwayTooter, posted this:
A translation into English:
The trouble has come. "Fostering violence against individuals or groups based on racial, ethnic, religion, disability, age, nationality, military experience, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or other characteristics linked to organizational racial discrimination or alienation, Or apps that incite discrimination are not allowed." If it's just a client app, first restrict it from the Chrome browser...
How long will it be before Google Chrome starts blocking domain names on "hate speech" grounds? Only time will tell. But when that day comes, they will be destroying the usability of their browser in the interest of controlling what people can view online. Google really does appear to be going all-in on this topic.
Chapos and anarkiddies are getting their just desserts for cheering on neoliberal tech company censorship drives.
>Chapos
the cocaine guy? why are there multiple of him
chapotraphouse podcast fans
imagine listening to podcasts
Kek
Absolutely correct.
lol what are you even talking about? Most fedi/masto clients already block the nazi instances.
>free software
>oh you're nazi? can't use my software, how bad...
This is literally fucking 1984 at this point.
Not how this works
>implying alt-right punks just looove freedom of speech and won’t totally censor anyone should they come into power
back to >>>/pol/
not everyone, just you
Back to >>>/r/eddit
Looks like I have some fash to bash.
What the fuck is the "fediverse" and why should I care about it?
pedofa apps
I hope all of these people get vanned and Mark Zuckerberg finds a way to make a buck off of it.
do they really share CP in fediverse/mastodon/whatever its called?
youd think that they would stick to deepweb tor etc.
It's full of trans "people", what do you think?
They do on the Japanese ones and on P******.
cartoons don't count
Fuck off, pedophile.
There's some pretty crazy stuff on it, but not illegal https://baraag.net/@DevilRushBeyond
P2P twitter
Basically social media sites that anyone can host themselves that can also interact with one another in similar fashion to email.
i.e you could host your own "Twitter" (Mastodon instance) and reply to your friends "Youtube" (Peertube instance) even if the instance is hosted by someone else.
It's pretty nice tech as admins of these instances have full control over their instances so you can have controversial instances like Gab and whatever safe-zone instances the LBTQ and such want to have instead of having to rely on likes of Google, Facebook and Twitter to not fuck around.
Wow so they fear mastadon?
Is google actually serious lmao
content sites that give you the option of running your own server and begging other servers to follow you.
Fuck Google. Use ROMs without Google Play Services.
t. Pixel 3a with grapheneos here :)
I side-loaded F-Droid and Aurora Store on my tablet.
no google login required on my tablet at all thank you very much
>Fuck Google
>t. Pixel 3
lol
Google makes good stuff on the technical side. Then they just pile on Jewish shit on top. You can use the good base in some cases (ungoogled chromium, graphene os)
pixels and nexus can unlock bootloader and flash TWRP.
they are more clean than samsung which locks their bootloader and has KNOX.
neat OS but the phone is utter shit
Unfortunately only Poogle is shipping phones with proper security hardware these days so you don't have a choice if you want GrapheneOS.
>fuck google
>has a pixel
>fuck Google
Yes. This is why I purchase iPhones.
Based
Google is asking to be sued. In their eyes all browsers need to be pulled including chrome since I can access "hateful" content using it
opposing alphabets monopoly is hate speech
Attempting to help degenerates who chop their dicks off and say they are not mentally ill is hate speech
The fucking irony.
Based
The chapos and anarkiddies aren't being censored. Google is doing them a favor by keeping androidlets off their sites
Feditrannies BTFO. But seriously, I was hoping it would catch on eventually.
>I was hoping it would catch on eventually.
If the Streissand effect is a real thing, it will take off precisely because of this lmfao
Nah it won't
How do you figure?
Fediverse has no marketing and is confusing to normal people. The Twitter alternatives are communities of fringe groups that would turn everyone off from it and Peertube has no community, it's just a repository of random shit and schizo videos. I don't see it taking off.
I've literally never heard of it before.
Seems really interesting though.
Mean to reply to
You overestimate human curiosity.
How do we maximize for human curiosity?
lol maybe, this post is already doing a lot to bring attention to it
t. just found out about it from OP just now
Good. Fuck them.
They supported banning other sites and applications from F-Droid.
The banned applications probably have parts of the fediverse blocked, which is really ironic.
google is banning the apps for the same reason that f-droid banned them
Fediverse trannies supported the ban.
Now they are crying for being banned.
Fuck 'em
That's a fair point, and since they're on Mastodon as opposed to Pleroma they're presumptively transgender anyway
who are these "fediverse trannies" you speak of, are you sure they exist in reality and not just in your head?
They seethed when gab forked mastodon because MUH NOTSEES CANT USE OUR FOSS!!
cool story bro i'm sure that actually happened
It did. Now cope
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/
show me where the seething is because i'm not seeing it
it looks more like gab was seething because they got blocked
>make open source software
>wrongthinkers fork it
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT
dilate
>>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT
show me where it says that
inb4 you can't and all you can say is "tranny" and "dilate" like an absolute rent-free mongoloid
Not who you're responding to, but this is why you should use Pleroma. Same protocol, less tranissary/communist implementation.
Pleroma is literally the same thing with an equal amount of trans and commies. The only difference is that it actually has MORE autism
That hasn't been my experience with it. Where are you seeing this?
Every pleroma instance
Try iddqd.social. Trannies literally banned on it.
>Join my instance it only supports my specific brand of identity politics and bans everyone else
You're demonstrating exactly why pleroma is just as bad as mastodon.
>my instance is for people who agree with me enough
yes_chad.jpg
The let's not play identity politics meme was invented by Jewish cuckservatives so white people won't get together
>mastodon dev is seething because gab pissed away $5mil on shit code that they threw out and then got mass blocked
not how it works sweetie
>not how it works sweetie
Yeah it actually is. Which makes it even funnier. They seethe about Gab but not Pleroma, at least not as much. There's some seething, but holy fuck, Gab is the target of most of it
>other websites that don't give a fuck about gab are actually seething because gab got shitcanned
not how it works sweetie
sure thing pal i'm sure that actually happened and not just in your head
I was here when they started their war against gab by literally changing the fucking GPL and banning all instances of gab.
>inb4 I never seen it so it didn't happen
Go fuck yourself, fucking use mastodon for once with your commie brothers and stop being an idiot on 4chan, I've used mastodon for a long time and it's fucking worse than twitter and that's saying major things.
>changing the fucking GPL
They actually did this? Lmfao, I was unaware of that. Can you fill me in on some deets?
https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/blob/master/LICENSE
it literally didn't happen and it WAS only in your head, this is a normal AGPL3
thanks for participating in today's episode of "your schizo fantasies about commies aren't actually real"
It was tusky, not tootsuite, I don't even know if they did but they surely had the conversation on mastodon, and they got a lot of backlash and praise for that, I myself said to them that that wasn't free software and that decision was literally nazi.
> that decision was literally nazi
Or "literally Gab". They banned and shadow banned many fediverse servers nearly immediately upon starting their server.
Unsurprising that between that and the burger conspiracy drama and supremacist nonsense directed against many people, there were many equally petty acts of revenge against Gab.
Gab's initial behavior was something like /pol/ conspiring to censor random other boards they don't like while spamming them with their BS. What do you expect will happen?
>Or "literally Gab".
I don't care about what gab did, this is the same behaviour as dictatorial regimes over the history, whereas they were communist or fascists/nazis.
> this is the same behaviour as dictatorial regimes over the history, whereas they were communist or fascists/nazis.
it being the same behavior is literally irrelevant. self defense or assassination still means killing someone, but the first one doesn't land you a personal place in Tyrone's rape cellar. the censorship you are talking about is done on a state/institutional level, not individual or private
The Nazis basically purged everyone left of them plus any actual rivals from the approximate same political spectrum - they mainly left a few of the nobility and authoritarian business owners in power if they joined the party. As did the Bolsheviks (even the centrists, and mensheviks and all other sociaists got Gulag'd and executed etc.).
But on the fediverse, basically none of the other entities (for example freespeechextremist or shitposter club or such) got widely banned because they also didn't randomly ban and spam others. For the most part they're just removed from the global views on instances that don't want to focus on politics.
Gab uniquely got it by so many because they were duplicitous faggots that banned opposing views while spamming everyone with burger conspiracy and nazi retardation and many more things that made them unpopular instantly. If /pol/ had this power somehow and abused it, the other boards would also refuse or even gang up on it. But again, virtually only Gab is banned widely.
It's just not the Bolshevik/Nazi/whoever ban on all other opinions. It's Gab. Just Gab. Because they were faggots.
>I've used mastodon for a long time and it's fucking worse than twitter and that's saying major things.
Then make your own server
I have one, retard.
then be like gab and isolate yourself from those evil mean commie outsiders since you can't handle them
He was, and is.
And they seethe at every free speech instance that pops up.
I'm not going to dig though years old mastodon posts to prove shit to you, this is only to show you it is top down.
You can search the old posts about gab if you want, you will see people asking for things like the license being changed to disallow racists from using it, and people freaking out about their safe spaces being invaded by racists.
imagine being THIS obsessed with race
I can't imagine a more sad existence
But I only use the kiwi farms instance. What's that got to do with race.
Yep. And they banned other free speech instances, and never ended up accepting posts from other instances.
The irony, The left says that they are mostly ateists but sure act as religious person faced with facts and going "it's written in the bible".
>yeah it's because of the "facts" that i'm racist, not just because i'm a shitty person that can't get past childish tribalism
Y(S)WNP
>y-youre tribalistic
>he says as he divides everyone into two camps
>i-i-i-i'm not tribalistic
>no no no you see by being racist and xenophobic i actually want to be in one single camp together with the people that i always talk about how i hate them and want them to go away
>i-im not tribalistic YOU'RE tribalistic
>i-im not tribalistic YOU'RE tribalistic
>i-im not tribalistic YOU'RE tribalistic
ok this is epic
you cannot morally justify your actions
I agree with everything you're saying, I just want to point out that it basically ends at seething. I don't care if my "Nazi" instance doesn't federate with commie instances. There's really no love lost.
>free speech instance
Didn't Gab ban porn and hentai?
Gab's federation was turned off recently.
Seems like the fedi operating exactly as intended.
this is super fucking funny how buttmad a bunch of retarded faggots could get over literally nothing. your political enemies arent trying to murder you, take your meds
Fuck off, Nazi. Nobody wants you. Follow your leader.
Needs some help making his way up the lamp post
You don't know the history, they are literally trannies.
They wanted a place to get away from twitter because it was too racist/sexist/etc.
They advertised it as "twitter without nazis".
>They advertised it as "twitter without nazis".
Retarded that they would characterize it that way since the only way to get rid of "Nazis" is to centralize control over the Internet and this decentralizes it
it gives you the choice to see what you want to see and ignore that which you don't, much more easily than twitter
I run a Pleroma instance and I use it to increase my exposure to new things, not to block it out, though. I'm delighted when I see a new instance pop up in the "entire known network" tab.
if they exist they're not relevant, google is not banning it because of them, they're banning it because other fediverse sites have nazis
>the devs and main userbase of mastodon are not relevant because some free speech instances exist
lol
Their main instance bans any other instance worth using, so they kinda are still in control, but in less control than they would like.
The same thing goes on with Matrix, hilariously enough. I think the effect is just two fediverses per protocol: one for trannies and one for people who just want to speak freely online.
>>the devs and main userbase of mastodon are not relevant because some free speech instances exist
correct, those people don't run the "free speech" instances
>Their main instance bans any other instance worth using
none of the instances they've banned are worth using though
>none of the instances they've banned are worth using though
but they ban baraag, pawoo and smuglo.li
which ones are worth it, don't say shitposter.club or something
None
Those all suck though.
well, then they need some in there then
going to Mastodon
bye
>They advertised it as "twitter without nazis".
Some vice clickbait article advertised it as such. Apply some critical thinking.
Nazis weren't the first to go to mastodon, the pixiv type user base was there before it, as were various LGBT furry whatever communities, but many of them didn't end up there first because Twitter had nazis.
The network was partly just better for posting / linking full resolution sexual content of all sorts and not full of burger pleb e-celeb spam... it still is like that from the view of most servers, even though on other servers the content is mostly burger politics.
Only the apps that support Gab are getting banned The tranny apps that block it are not.
Google bans for all kinds of shit, if someone wanted to install them and look for stupid shit, I'm sure they could easily get them banned.
Same way the 4chan applications are banned on google, even though the devs tried to appease google by making only SFW/slow boards show by default, and porn boards show only if you type the name.
It's really interesting that they're all banned at once, if google wants them gone, they will be gone.
If it's someone reporting them, they could easily report the others in the same way.
Proof?
https://f-droid.org/en/2019/07/16/statement.html
F-droid took the position of only banning apps that promote instances that they see as inappropriate. They didn't ban apps that don't try to censor those instances as Google is trying to do apparently.
They think it's up to them what's "appropriate" so it's just a matter of time before they decide "silence is violence" or some other communist slogan
You can still add a custom repository if they decide to ban apps.
They specifically said that they distinguish between tools and platforms and that software freedom is to be respected. They took the position of banning apps that crossed the line between technology and politics. You can't be mad at them for not giving space to political positions that they not agree with.
I can't be mad at that, but they have the wrong political opinion
Then the software freedom that they have set to defend enable you to express your political stance even with software that they made. You are free to set up repository with any kind of content and moderation rules and users are free to choose to use it. Its a fair game.
f-droid can ban what ever app that doesn't follow their arbitrary guidelines.
But f-droid will let you configure your own repos so who cares, if they block an app the owner of that app can facilitate you the system to download it directly from their server. Thing that Google will never allow you
It's the same apps that were removed from F-Droid dipshit. All the normal ones were already blocking nazi instances. This only affects you maga chuds.
gimmie the list of apps and their stances then, so we can be sure
>J-JUST BUILD YOUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA
>NOOOOOOO how will I build my own social media without approval from google???? They have to advertise my shitposting apps for free!
When they own the only store on your phone, yeah, it is a problem
>she can't install apk files
>she doesn't know that f-droid aptoide and other stores exist
pls zoomer
those aren't competition
android and ios are walled gardens, the difference is google lets you install your own applications
stop bitching about trans people and communists, snowflake
>trans
>people
what possible justification do you have for that
bitter, hateful people are below all others
more human than troons
>more human
you misspelled "less human"
my bad, troons aren't human
>troons aren't human
you misspelled "bigots aren't human"
f-droid has stricter bans on non left wing applications, they will not let something like gab be in their stores.
I call bullshit. Where are even these "left wing" applications on F-Droid?
Got anything that is only useful to EU democratic socialists for example?
They made a fucking news post on how they will never let any free spech or something like gab on their store, and every user on mastodon applauded this with their ears, just be in touch with fucking reality, idiot.
No, *you* made a claim about less strict policies on left-wing applications on f-droid here
What I am asking is specifically: Which actual "left wing" applications (something by/useful only to EU socialist parties, for example) do they have on f-droid?
Because if there's nothing, it just seems like they simply don't take purely political apps.
I've never said that, I've said they have strict policies on right wing apps, like gab and related, and they said they will never allow "nazi" apps on their store.
Obviously for non right wing meaning center and left they don't have any rules in places for them.
>f-droid has stricter bans on non left wing applications
Is literally what you said. This implies left wing applications are allowed, but I see zero.
> they said they will never allow "nazi" apps on their store
Makes sense. And? They don't allow Stalinist or Maoist apps either, I assume.
Stricter bans than google, google allowed gab to be on the play store.
>Makes sense. And? They don't allow Stalinist or Maoist apps either, I assume.
You assume, but don't know for a fact that they will behave exactly, and I personally lack interest on both sides of the party, but facts are facts, and they said that they will not allow any nazi-like (obviously everything that doesn't fall in line with their ideology) apps on their store, I would personally assume that if a communist party opened their own mastodon instance and app they will not be banned from them.
See
gpl is hard to change but some faggots are building mastodon 2.0 with a left wing license
https://parast.at/cnpl
https://parast.at/
https://parast.at/blog/2020/01/03/what-is-parastat.html
>An example of our commitment to social issues is in the license we will use - CNPL. It’s a pretty new and different license, and we believe it’s designed for the future of ethical technology.
> a left wing license
I don't see that much that is left wing in this, it seems to be mostly directed against extremists on both the left and right [and violence].
Not that I think a country at war will respect licenses like this.
Yeah, and anything directed at extremists on "both" ends of what is presented as a spectrum but isn't (No, really, politics is not a spectrum, you fucktard, it just looks like that when you stand in a certain spot in the local legislative chambers) catches people who aren't extremists but have any agreement whatsoever with said extremists.
It will also be selectively enforced, for example antifa will almost certainly be allowed to use the software with far less restrictions than people who just want the looting and burning to STOP and see no help from the people who are supposed to be stopping it.
Its authoritharian license because it restricts its user to use software as they please.
Also, read more you dipshit. You can only use stuff licensed under that if you are
>a non profit or co-op model business/commune that only works with other such businesses/commune
> not going to inflicting Bodily Harm on human beings (subject to criminal prosecution or otherwise) outside of providing medical aid with it.
> not going to Surveil or track individuals for financial gain with it.
> not going to do war with it, or support any action in any wars with it.
> not going to send anyone to jail though any process that uses it.
> not going to extract oil, gas, or coal with it.
> guarantee that nothing you ever do with it will expedite, coordinate or facilitate paid work undertaken by individuals under the age of 12 years (unpaid work is A OK!).
> guarantee that any use of it will not permit anyone to say anything differentiating any groups of people (but only on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, age, disability, color, national origin, religion, or lower economic status.) (This kind of thing is ALWAYS selectively enforced, and that's why it's a problem even before considering that it's really nonsensical!)
This is left wing because anyone who thinks all other options are immoral is someone who probably votes Democrat.
It's not left wing. I assure you, plenty of Republicans think that too.
I'm pretty sure most republicans and their voters think that business models other than non-profit or co-op are acceptable.
And while most republicans would agree that the government should not discriminate against anyone who is allowed to vote until such a point that their differences create disorder if allowed to continue, I would venture a guess that the number of republican voters who would say that we need to remain willfully ignorant of facts about the human condition so nobody's feelings get hurt is probably in the minority.
But I guess I don't KNOW that.
This is definetely not GPL complaint and is thus not free software.
You can be FOSS without being GPL compatible (see Sun CDDL) but this isn't it.
does this even stand in court ?
with enough money you might argue on any piece of software to the point no one can use the license
Google de facto owns the internet, they can do whatever they please.
We must seize the means of computation.
use facebook/twitter/instagram goyim
google is the largest provider of CP
??
OH NO NO NO, THE TEMPLEOS ELEPHANT HAS BEEN STOLEN
>so what about a forum client?
inb4 apps that aren't FAANG are banned
Imagine the outrage this would cause to normies!
Probably zero. I weep for the future.
the what now
p2p twitter knockoff
thanks
>on the grounds that some servers in the fediverse engage in hate speech
oh for fucks sake, I could find way more hate speech from using their search engine in less time than it would take to install one of those apps. they could at least put some effort into pulling claims out of their ass to justify whatever strong-arming they're about to pull, like claiming that there are servers for pedos or some shit.
So you're saying they clearing the way for Google+ 2.0? When? I remember back in Goggle Talk days, they managed to get Facebook Messenger to integrate with XMPP, and I friggin' loved it that time.
Alright, in Normie Terms, tell me what Fediverse is, why I should care, what their Beef was / is.
read the fucking thread
I fucking did I understood nothing.
Basically, imagine if you could create your own Twitter, where instead of having a username of @Anon, you had @Anon@somedomain.tld. Now also imagine that I could follow you as @SomeOtherAnon@someotherdomain.tld, and vice versa, where the two Twitter clones "federate." Hence the name "fediverse."
Finally, imagine this as a class of service -- a federated service -- as opposed to just a Twitter clone. Matrix is to Discord as Mastodon/Pleroma are to Twitter.
Aight, but why is Google Banning this then?
Also thank you for answering, have a (you)
They're banning it for the same reason they ban a lot of shit on YouTube: it's inconvenient for their politics. They want a progressive left perspective to be the only one you have any access to, and while the original marketing for Mastodon (an implementation of the ActivityPub protocol) was "Twitter without Nazis," the way that protocol actually functions is pretty much the opposite. In practice, it's "Twitter but you can say nigger without consequences," because there are tons of instances (each domain name is its own instance, basically) that don't care what you say, and actively endorse freeze peach. Some even go as far as to outright ban leftism, doing a full 180 on the issue.
And since it's federated, it makes the whack-a-mole game of banning everybody who disagrees with you much harder from a logistical perspective.
Makes sense.
Thank you for your Time, Anon.
Have a Based day.
Arguably the politics are just an excuse.
I remember reading a while ago that Jack Dorsey is trying to make Twitter into a (proprietary, incompatible with current federated twitter clones) federated service as well, so it would figure that google has plans to host an instance itself, and so competition has to be done away with.
Of course, I've got no idea how far they've gotten on that. They may have done nothing, they may be preparing to launch next month. Or it may not be on the roadmap at all and there's some other business reason they're banning them.
Then again they are an ad company, so someone with enough money could easily pay them to take down anything that person opposed.
Unless this is only happening now because the mainstream media discovered that Kyle Rittenhouse (hisssssss!) had a gab account or something (the horror!). Then it's pretty clearly internal political fuckery.
>They want a progressive left perspective to be the only one you have any access to,
This is a good thing. The only thing better would be support of actual anarchist praxis.
>freeze peach
Lol
Based opinion anon, thanks
Retard
>gab's TOS you retarded brainlet
Oh no, its retarded lol.
>No one likes gab except for dumb boomers larping as nazis
Only loser cucks don't like it. I'm indifferent kinda. Not my place to hang but I respect them for fighting the good fight.
>muh freeze peach
freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences sweetie
That is exactly what freedom of speech is.
How?
Freedom of speech is about being able to engage in debate without being punished for disagreeing. "Muh freedom from consequences" is just a bullshit deflection, as is the idea that megacorporations should be granted the right to infringe upon freedom of speech.
Despite the fact that these huge companies often provide products and services free of charge it still doesn't mean that said products and services aren't privately owned. Being allowed in a private domain doesn't mean you cannot get kicked out if the owner feels like it, nor is the owner obligated to keep you around. Freedom of speech doesn't mean somebody can't give you the boot from their private property because they don't like what you're saying, nobody is obligated to put up with you. It means the state and the law shouldn't punish you for your opinions and for what you're saying, private entities cutting you off isn't legal punishment. That's the state of things, as far as I know.
Now I do agree that these huge corporations have grown so huge that it's starting to make less and less sense to treat them in similar ways to much smaller companies and it really is kind of fucked how easily they can silence you on the internet in general, yet at the same time if I were the owner of some huge service I don't think I'd want to host some fucko I don't like on my server, my hardware and my dime either.
The government should not be able to decide what corporations do or don't.
The government should be able to decide what corporations do or don't, corporations should be able to threaten governments with shows of force, and regular people should be able to pit them against each other to the greatest benefit for themselves.
Corporations are the government.
I always lose my mind when I see leftists advocating full control of gigacorporations over the Internet, and over individuals without any sort of rights
They will get exactly what they deserve when king Bezos runs America. They can enjoy trying to push labour politics when the entirety of industry and logistics is automated and run by amazon.
>Freedom of speech is about being able to engage in debate without being punished for disagreeing
What debate? Do you actually think the instances spamming racial slurs and violent threats at other instances are trying to have a "debate" and are not just trying to punish someone for disagreeing?
>"Muh freedom from consequences" is just a bullshit deflection
Are you only saying this because it's easier than confronting the fact that your words can have real consequences?
>as is the idea that megacorporations should be granted the right to infringe upon freedom of speech
Why do you think freedom of speech means megacorporations should be forced to host your shitposts for free?
Go back to Le Plebbit
Talking about reddit won't help you fit in here, gabtard
>Why do you think freedom of speech means megacorporations should be forced to host your shitposts for free?
Why do you think megacorporations should hold the authority to control what opinions people are allowed to have?
He is a Machiavellian tankie. Here's your answer.
>If you don't agree with my shitposting you're a tankie
Do you seriously believe this?
How are they controlling that? Did the google employees come into your house with guns and force you to have a certain opinion?
Ah yes, gunpoint, the only way to control people's opinions.
Maybe just admit you're an authoritarian anon.
He wouldn't be talking this way if he were required to be a straight, pro-White Christian or else you get banned/fired/expelled. He doesn't support a megacorporation's authority to meddle in your affairs for its own sake. He supports it because in this case, it's using that authority in a way he approves of
Then how did they control you? Did they threaten you with mean words on twitter?
How are they making it difficult for you to express opinions? Did they force you at gunpoint not to express opinions?
Why are you making up lies about me just to push your political agenda?
I'm defending a corporation because I pointed out your pathetic begging? How? Demonstrate your mental gymnastics for me
Why do you believe these corporations are "leftist" when they're equally overrun with alt-right shitters and trumptards?
Why do you think their complaining about free speech is anything but a dog whistle?
>seething at several people at once
Go dilate
>le seethe le dilate
Hello plebbit refugee, why do you rely on these meaningless memewords to cover up your inability to communicate?
We already refuted your position multiple times over. We're now at the phase where we just ridicule you for being a retarded corporate communist. It's not our fault you subscribe to a retardedly syncretic ideology
I asked multiple questions that you either refused to answer or were unable to. Why do you believe you know anything about my ideology when you can't even answer basic questions?
You asked disingenuous questions. We answered them. Then you repeated them. Debate end.
They are honest questions and you never answered them. If you need to dismiss all questions as disingenuous to defend your position then your worldview is built on a house of cards. It's time to move on and use your brain for once
>They are honest questions and you never answered them.
They aren't honest. It's self-explanatory how creating a network of "agree with my opinions on my digital monopoly or else you're banned" is a form of coercive control behavior. Pretending otherwise really is disingenuous, now please fuck off, the adults are talking.
Who is forcing you to agree with their opinions? How are they doing that and how is it coercive? You never answered these. These are basic questions to support your position and if you can't answer them, you have nothing.
You're doing the typical uninformed internet shitposter thing where you make a random statement and then don't bother coming up with proof until you get pressed for it. It's weak, it's bait and the only reason you're doing it is because you're on 4channel and you have no incentive to fix your damage shitposter brain. Get the fuck out of here and stop trying to pin the "pretending" on me.
>how is it coercive?
"Or else."
Or else what?
"i'm not coercing you, i'm just telling you what you have to do or else i punish you"
How are they telling you what to do and how are you being punished? I think this is the 4th time I've asked this and still you can't answer?
The OP answers your question.
I'm not seeing that, can you explain how?
Are you saying that the punishment is being banned? How is that punishment? Do you think that company owes you something?
>Are you saying that the punishment is being banned? How is that punishment?
"i'm not punishing you i'm just creating an incentive structure where i do something you don't like if you disagree with me wow just wow can you believe that this person considers that punishment"
What is this incentive structure?
Why are you posting this unrelated picture?
>What is this incentive structure?
I'm not seeing anything there, where in that post did you describe the incentive structure? What were you giving and what were you getting in return?
"oh golly gee if you have the wrong opinions you get banned i can't fathom how you're being incentivized to have the corporate-approved opinions, please answer the same question i asked over and over again or else you can't answer my questions chuds bto"
No I can't fathom it, that's why I'm asking you to explain. How are you being incentivized? That implies you're doing something and getting something else in return.
>How are you being incentivized?
With threats.
Which threats? What are you getting in return for complying with these threats?
>Which threats?
The threat of being banned.
Banned from what? Why did you not answer the other question?
>Banned from what?
Social media services, the Google Play Store, etc. Now, having established that these megacorporations are moving to control what people are allowed to talk about online, do you or do you not agree with their legitimate authority to do this?
There are two options to this question: YES, or NO
Are you saying that you individually have been banned from social media services and the google play store, by google? When did this happen and can you show me what happened when you were banned?
How are they moving to control what people are allowed to talk about online? Are they controlling what we say here?
I asked you a simple yes or no question. You will answer yes, or you will answer no, or you will yield to me the authority to answer on your behalf:
There is no way I can answer that question because we haven't even determined if that's something they're capable of doing yet.
I'm not, I have no idea what you're talking about because I don't use google or facebook or twitter or any of those other sites and I never have. Can you explain how my speech is being restricted by something that I've never used and never will?
>There is no way I can answer that question because we haven't even determined if that's something they're capable of doing yet.
We have. I've answered question after question from you on this part. It's determined. This is your final opportunity to answer the question directly.
It hasn't been determined. How are they moving to control what people are allowed to talk about online? Are they controlling what we say here? If you can answer these, then we might be able to determine if they're capable or not.
You have used up your final opportunity to answer the question after having established the original claim. In doing so, you have yielded the authority to answer it on your behalf.
The simple answer is: YES, you do support megacorporations' legitimate authority to control what people are allowed to say online. You support this because you support the opinions that they enforce with this authority, however limited it might be still. If they suddenly became wignats/alt-right/whoever, you would just as suddenly start opposing them on free speech grounds.
This terminates our discussion. Good day.
Okay? Those aren't my opinions at all. See you later when you can actually have a conversation and not put words in my mouth. You know you can't leave this place.
ahhhh I get it now, you're an absolute brainlet. okok, I'll explain the basics to you then:
we have two separate concepts: the internet and the web. the internet is the INFRASTRUCTURE over which data is transmitted, while the web constitutes all the documents (web pages) you all know and love.
Now, do big companies (Google, Facebook, etc.) make up a big part of the web? of course. can they control what is posted on their platforms? of course. ARE they the web? no.
So if you say that they "control what you can say online" you are just deluded to the point that you think that those companies ARE the web and thus can control ALL the speech
Nobody claimed that these companies ARE the web. Anywhere. Is this a deliberate strawman fallacy or do you have a reading comprehension issue?
You will choose one or you will get both.
the web is not democratic, you can control the web only if every single web page is under your control. since this isn't the case then your shitty argument doesn't hold up
Why are you pretending that obvious things aren't true and then turning them back as questions? You know damn well speech is being restricted on purpose not just by google but by social networks, governments and even banks. Either you're trolling or you're so far disconnected from these events that your opinion is inherently worthless on the subject.
>Social media services, the Google Play Store, etc.
ok so nothing that is related to the US government. why are you complaining again?
>the us government didn't do it, that makes it okay
who are you quoting?
>Now, having established that these megacorporations are moving to control what people are allowed to talk about online, do you or do you not agree with their legitimate authority to do this?
>using propreitary services out of your control and complaining
Do you feel the need for software freedom now? Do you recognize their freedom to exercise their property rights or are you a literal communist?
>communists supporting corporate imposition of communist opinions
Do you have brain damage? Corporations and communism? Since when are corporations working towards striping assests of their shareholders?
Yeah, I'd rather support my interests than maintain autismal level adherence to meme manifestos and theory. Besides, all the freeze peach arguments boil down to "the audience I want to reach is too retarded to use another app"
"how is it coercive to require you to have certain opinions or else you get banned it's a private corporation wow just wow please answer this question for the umpteenth time or else i win this argument"
>How are they controlling that? Did the google employees come into your house with guns and force you to have a certain opinion?
By going out of their way to make it difficult for non-techies to express any opinions that deviate too much from their left-progressive perspective.
>giant multinational billion dollar corporation
>defended by communists
You’re fucking retarded
Ah yes, it's the COMMUNISTS who complain about free speech online, not their alt-right counterparts. How could I forget. Fucking moron.
If you think either of those groups actually give a shit about free speech then you’re dumber than I thought, holy shit.
Nobody said anything about "actually caring" about anything. So, to reiterate the conclusion of this exchange: you support megacorporations in the current context of their censoriousness because they ban opinions you disagree with. If they were banning, say, communist/socialist/leftist/woke opinions, you would do a 180 on this immediately.
Simple as.
But it’s true. Literal communists are the ones that use the
> muh private corporations argument
For defending their censorship horseshit.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
But they aren't right. Corporations have absolutely no place dictating to the citizenry, through any means, what opinions they are allowed to publicly hold.
"literal communists" will only ever bring up the private corporations thing to highlight the hypocrisy of capitalists pretending to care about freedom of speech. anyone who uses it otherwise is a shitlib who is also ridiculed by aforementioned communists.
Which is a retarded argument. Capitalists don’t want monopolies - it’s bad for capitalism.
Why would they be? That company has earned their place. Why would you punish someone for winning?
Monopolies are bad for free market not capitalists. Free market and capitalism are two orthogonal concepts.
Free markets are one of the main components of a capitalistic system. There is more to capitalism than the government not owning something.
With mergers of big companies the market becomes less free because there is less competition. Capitalism is detrimental to the free market, that is why we need so many regulations to keep the markets somewhat free at all
Antitrust regulations are good. Having unchecked anything is terrible.
Well I believe that pilling regulation after regulation without adressing the underlying causes is not optimal. But we can agree to disagree
You don’t need a ton of regulations. I think busting the trusts alone would solve a massive amount of problems (especially in SV).
Its not a trust if its a merger. And they always seem to make compeling case why this merger is needed and how it will totaly not concentrate the market power at all. To combat this efectivelly you would need to create a hard limit on market power, wealth concetration...it sounds like socialism to me
Was the breaking up of MaBell a socialist thing to do? It created massive competition, which unfortunately is disappearing as they have started re-merging again.
Breaking up large industries with minimal competition boosts, not limits, capitalism.
Why do you think the government should hold the authority to control what corporations are able to do?
You're just a crypto-communist who wants to force private companies to bend to his will. What's next, are you going to ask for reparations for being banned?
Fuck off, freeloader. The beauty of the free market is that you can fund your own platform.
>Why do you think the government should hold the authority to control what corporations are able to do?
Because the purpose of the government is, at least ostensibly, to represent the interests of the people it rules over, and it's in the interest of the general population to be able to speak freely on the Internet. That shouldn't, in practice, evaporate because of a leftist corporation achieving a monopoly or near-monopoly.
See Marsh v. Alabama.
No, the purpose of the government should be to guarantee property rights. Nothing less, nothing more. The government will always tend to authoritarianism when it's given a blank check in the name of "interests of the people". The best way to represent the interests of the people is through liberty, which the institution of government is diametrically opposed to.
Property is theft.
Corporations are profit driven while the nation state is a labour union.
>Corporations are profit driven
Once you get into "too big to fail" territory I think the game changes. They become upcummies-driven
nation state is a mavia controled by anyone rich enough to bribe politicians into doing their, using of propaganda and other shit like that to make it seem otherwise
>Why do you think freedom of speech means megacorporations should be forced to host your shitposts for free?
But Fediverse isn't host by megacorps.
Fucking bootlickers in this thread I swear.
You think I'm the one bootlicking when you're literally begging megacorporations to pay attention to you and host your shit for free?
You're running defense for the corpo, 'course you're bootlicking, no amount of deflecting will change that.
>Why do you think freedom of speech means megacorporations should be forced to host your shitposts for free?
Because they are entitled white boys who have had everything handed to them.
>it's easier than confronting the fact that your words can have real consequences?
So does doxxing literal children, yet you tumblr refugees have no problem with that.
But some things are factually and morally wrong to say, so how do we prevent them from gaining traction? Every instance of "free speech" has always degenerated into racist idiocy.
The words "racism," "sexism," and "antisemitism" were invented by Communists as tools to shield their operatives from valid criticism by the political majority. You're crying because you can't suppress the truth.
>mistaking liberal capitalist elites for communists
You sure are dancing to (((their))) tunes
They are not communists, they are simply trying to control the communists in the hopes that when all the pressure created by the mass delusion comes to a head, they can be on the winning side and become even more powerful.
>oh no, I can't call people niggers anymore!
white people are so fragile
>husky
lmao, good
>tfw the pleroma instance i was using just disappeared for no reason
And which one were you using?
pleroma.nl
Who cares about those fags, all their servers and fdroid block instances for thought crime too.
A thought is something silent inside your head. It ceases to be just a "thought" when you spam it all over the internet and try to force everyone else to listen to you
t. tranny who wants to make you believe he's a woman
>t. transphobe who wants to make you believe she's not a woman and doesn't pass
I know you're baiting by trying to derail the discussion to transgenders. Like you always do in every thread for some weird reason that you anons always avoid explaining. The real "thought crime" here is that your brain is diseased
ywnp
Saying it again won't make true.
YWNP
who gives a shit about this? just installl the apk retards or put it in another apk store this isn't ios
I do. I consider Google's censorship effort du jour newsworthy
oh good
the reddit program in jewgle play is next
bwah hah hah hah hah
Are they going to ban browsers as well?
,Yes, only webview will be allowed and Chromium will ship with a hate speech filter
I unironically believe things like this are totally realistic in the next few years.
Y77W44N94P31
Wtf almost there
brainlets, how difficult can it be to download and install an apk?
this. i dont get the big drama. i dont even have google store installed since i dont want all my memory occupied by google trash i never use and cant helpp from isntalling if playstore is enabled
Exactly, all the google trash apps are the first programs that I immediately delete on a new android device.
Fuck app stores
this is great news, sounds like some shit only faggot redditors are into. speaking of which, they should ban reddit apps as well since it has """hate speech""" on there in plenty of subreddits.
so does fediverse actually describe anything or is it just a word that people who use certain programs use to make their secret club sound cooler?
https://fediverse.party/
I wish /r/4chan users (AKA pleroma tripfags AKA /pol/dditors) fucked off forever
Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act exempts Google from this, ironically.
No it doesn't. I have no clue why you guys are so fixated on that one section like it would change anything
fedicringe
>Android LMAO
>Ha! Gaaaaaaay!
ANDRONES BTFO
This is about FSE, Yggdrasil, and shitposter club isn't it?
No, it's about Gab. Jewgle is terrified that people banned from Twitter might find an equivalent platform.
I thought gab defederated?
Isn't gab just like turboboomers?
You can still use fediverse clients to have a Gab account, and most of them support multi account. Google is banning any fediverse client that doesn't proactively block you from logging in to Gab or other right wing instances.
theoretically if you wanted to get an app taken down you could just start using it to promote hateful ideas or hate speech and then mass-report the app
Nah. Facebook and Google frequently make money from hate speech. They even encourage it to increase ad revenue from Boomers.
i really don't know and care
100% bet this is cause of pressure from china and other governments. A normalization of P2P social media means governments cant censor and that just doesn't fly for the commies.
No, it's domestic politics. They don't want people to have a voice outside of Silicon Valley's approved channels. They think this will stop Trump.
When did we start caring about phonefags? Fewer phoneposters the better.
How do we convince people to abandon their cellular telephones in favor of personal computers?
Who here is on the fediverse (not asking for your account). Been on it since 2017. I don't think any single event will cause its wide spread adoption, but it's popularity has been regularly and linearly progressing and things like this being of notable news is a real milestone.
Im on there for about a year now. It serves its purpose okay
I was on about a dozen Mastodon instances. It was okay for a bit, but I'm looking for something better than microblogging.
Why do niggers commit crimes?
What's a difference between Fediverse, Pleroma, Mastodon or Gab?
They say it's like Gab forked something, but I was able to use it via Mastodon client from F-Droid. Then there was some tranny default server?
Anyway, it was Twitter so let it rot, only microblogging and chans make sense.
>Fediverse
The overall term for servers / the uneven network consisting of servers using the related technologies.
> Pleroma/Mastodon
The most popular server software supporting the above.
Something like ejabberd and prosody for XMPP.
> Gab
Instance that pissed off everyone.
"Muh freedom of speech" on the surface but banned dozen of actual free speech instances because they couldn't handle getting criticized by people like we see here [who however were free to post traps and lolis or whatever when they made fun of them].
They also were too right-wing / political for other instances which themselves banned Gab. Upon which Gablins brought forth a strong case of screaming victim complex.
Note that of course this is not unusual on the fediverse anyhow - not everyone wants nude lolis, porn or burger conspiracy politics. But again, Gab also can't handle free speech actual, so their drama is very Reddit for right wing conspirators.
>smarthphone
>freedom
Dumb phoneposter.
>tfw stallman was right
Guess management aren't counting on Biden to win.
honestly it's not that hard to be left-wing and not use slurs, try it some time.
They didn't though, see
I'm going to guess it's about some Gab victim complex again? Look, Gab isn't only the unpopular more-retarded-than /pol/ burger views, they also fucked with free speech & (optional but for free speech instances important) transparency. Both outside and in the Fediverse almost nobody cares a shit if they die.
>Gab isn't only the unpopular more-retarded-than /pol/ burger views, they also fucked with free speech & (optional but for free speech instances important) transparency. Both outside and in the Fediverse almost nobody cares a shit if they die
Go jump off a bridge you retarded cuck if you unironically hate Gab. Gab is literally one of the only free speech platforms in the fediverse. Maybe you're one of those spineless losers who think mean words isn't free speech but go tell that to the supreme court. Gab should be allowed, if people don't want what's there guess what don't go there. Google should be required to accept them, they are a public forum with the prevalence of the play store. Either that or require android phones to come without google shit baked in and force them to release an open source GCM implemenation so people can use their own servers for push notifications. The greedy jews at the tech companies need to be bent over and taught a lesson
Disagreeing with right-wing politics is literally against gab's TOS you retarded brainlet. No one likes gab except for dumb boomers larping as nazis.
>Google store
>not exclusively using the Samsung store
Not going to make it
Tell me, why SHOULD hateful platforms like Gab should get any help from private companies? If you want your app to be allowed to be downloaded on someone else property, you should at least have the balls to place restrictions on what people can say it avoid the encouragement of violence. An app has every right to be "free speech" just like platforms excersize their free speech by forbidding apps that does nothing to stop dangerous ideas.
This has nothing to do with Gab, Gab isn't part of the "fediverse". The fediverse is predominantly politically progressive, further to the left than mainstream social media.
Are the 4chan apps banned also?
What's the best instance for cute and funny stuff?
kawen.space, cute.science, cybre.club, iscute.moe are some instances that are a bit more moderated IIRC.
But honestly if you're not opposed to /a/ mixing with /h/ and lolis and /g/ so on, the average instance like anime.website, weeaboo.space or pl.smuglo.li or such will do. As will pixiv's pawoo.net.
Ultimately you *mostly* pick the content you see by who you follow.
baraag
>google it
>it's some satanist garbage
good thing it's gone
>no, I don't want to be free from social media I want social media companies to be compelled to allow me to do what they want within their private services.
when did rightoids become communist?
you're asking for permission to feed your addiction because you can't think of a reality not connected to the corporate social media teat.
>THEY MIGHT BAN MY FAGBOOK ACCOUNT
you shouldn't have one in the first place faggot.
I would like to see a social network built on IPFS.
Where there is no central hosting.
https://instances.social/list#lang=&allowed=&prohibited=&min-users=&max-users=
>>>/pol/
>Literally calling your child porn technology fediverse
feds have no shame